tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14229312.post3158005609553867289..comments2023-05-13T09:16:17.585-06:00Comments on FollowingFrodo: Nature of Humanity...Gordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03767921257861340046noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14229312.post-11063501704427015742008-09-12T10:29:00.000-06:002008-09-12T10:29:00.000-06:00Our Hindu friends would probably see this exercise...Our Hindu friends would probably see this exercise as limited thinking, but would likely be too polite to criticize it for its limitations. In Hindu philosophy, we wouldn't be trapped in a dichotomy that, no matter how refined, leaves universes of possibilities out of the picture.<BR/><BR/>Rather, the Hindu approach would allow for the either-or view, as this exercise has reflected, or a both-and view, which would postulate that we are capable of light/dark (read good/evil if you must) both, in a dynamic balance; then there is the neither-nor, which would suggest that this view of good/evil is not truthful or useful. I won't go there: both-and is more fun. <BR/><BR/>In a sense, i guess in Hindu philosophical terms, Calvin and Pelagius were both right--and both wrong. Isn't this fun?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16052081819882002321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14229312.post-276944541995889282008-09-10T08:48:00.000-06:002008-09-10T08:48:00.000-06:00I would love to sit in Sandra's class and firmly p...I would love to sit in Sandra's class and firmly place my name in the Pelagianism column. <BR/><BR/>However, I have to agree with PCIT that when it comes to the basic political and social structures in which we all live and breathe - it's tough not to agree with Calvin re: the inherent evil of most social systems. <BR/><BR/>I include the church in those systems, by the way. I know that it simply is what it is, and it's better than no system at all - we DO need some kind of order. But in so many ways, the church gets in its own way and spends a lot of time focusing on what are essentially a reflection of its shadow side. <BR/><BR/>So - the idealist in me likes Pelegianism. The realist sees Calvinism.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03407981987874669303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14229312.post-30929414236452982972008-09-09T08:14:00.000-06:002008-09-09T08:14:00.000-06:00I think I see the tendancy toward evil more in col...I think I see the tendancy toward evil more in collective human endeavors/history than in individuals--the tendancy for bold new ideas to get institutionalized, for efforts for justice to turn violent, etc. I wonder if there is also a class/social location element in this too--does the middle class tend toward Pelagianism?Karen Sapiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952041607368514856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14229312.post-28466595259041216652008-09-09T07:56:00.000-06:002008-09-09T07:56:00.000-06:00I read each statement and I think "Yes, of course!...I read each statement and I think "Yes, of course!". So I'm not sure where I'd be on the spectrum - probably near the middle. I find that an appreciation of "original sin" (to use the usual term) allows me to simply let go of my tendency toward perfectionism. I can't be perfect; even if I do absolutely everything I can, I won't be. So I should do my best, and trust God in Christ to help me make up the lack...parodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15454972767684196711noreply@blogger.com